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	<title>Comments on: Focusing on prevention rather than cure</title>
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		<title>By: blondie</title>
		<link>http://melalouise.net/2005/02/focusing-on-prevention-rather-than-cure/comment-page-1/#comment-35</link>
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		<description>I&#039;m staggered at the reliance some organizations have on testing teams.  To me this suggests a clear disregard for the benefits developer testing bring, which from a business perspective is an easily accessible, automated, efficient and repeatable process that can provide as comprehensive coverage as the quality gauge suggests (a reference to the good ol&#039; days of brother Gibson&#039;s project dashboard).  There&#039;s one other important aspect of developer tests that the management frequently overlook - no human element is necessary.  To me, that&#039;s a massive point.  We all know humans are error prone - you can bank on testers not testing the same thing every time.  It comes down to trust; I trust statistics above a head testers stating &#039;Yes, we believe the system is ready for production&#039;.  I want to see &quot;nothin&#039; but green&quot; with execution times within performance boundaries, then I&#039;ll make a decision.

Testers are still important, manual testing does play an important part in QA, but there should be much less of it than what I&#039;ve seen, which at it&#039;s worst has been a 3:2 ratio of developer to tester in an organization that seemingly valued testers above developers.  Indeed, testers were working more frequently to the wee hours of the morning than developers - Madness!  I say look at those principles you talk of, cull numbers down to say 5:1 and get those developers to pump out tests before coding!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m staggered at the reliance some organizations have on testing teams.  To me this suggests a clear disregard for the benefits developer testing bring, which from a business perspective is an easily accessible, automated, efficient and repeatable process that can provide as comprehensive coverage as the quality gauge suggests (a reference to the good ol&#8217; days of brother Gibson&#8217;s project dashboard).  There&#8217;s one other important aspect of developer tests that the management frequently overlook &#8211; no human element is necessary.  To me, that&#8217;s a massive point.  We all know humans are error prone &#8211; you can bank on testers not testing the same thing every time.  It comes down to trust; I trust statistics above a head testers stating &#8216;Yes, we believe the system is ready for production&#8217;.  I want to see &#8220;nothin&#8217; but green&#8221; with execution times within performance boundaries, then I&#8217;ll make a decision.</p>
<p>Testers are still important, manual testing does play an important part in QA, but there should be much less of it than what I&#8217;ve seen, which at it&#8217;s worst has been a 3:2 ratio of developer to tester in an organization that seemingly valued testers above developers.  Indeed, testers were working more frequently to the wee hours of the morning than developers &#8211; Madness!  I say look at those principles you talk of, cull numbers down to say 5:1 and get those developers to pump out tests before coding!</p>
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